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Jay V. Shore's avatar

There are many "Doms" but few true Daddy energies. Protecting the sub is a spiritual, as separate from sexual energy. Most "Doms" are ego driven, instead of spirit driven.

I said what I said...

Juliette LaMontagne's avatar

Present-day consent has been reduced to a legal safeguard rather than a shared language of curiosity and care, less an invitation to explore than a checkbox to avoid harm. In long-term partnerships, consent is considered a moot point. This is the single biggest missed opportunity for rediscovery, risk, and erotic aliveness. I explore this and more in my stack Touch Me There.

The Corruptible Slut's avatar

This was an incredible piece that has given me so much to think about. Rather than rush to agree or disagree with any of it, I just want to say thank you for putting it together <3

Confessions of a Dominant Male's avatar

👏👏👏 Excellent. I completely agree.

Miiindy's avatar

This article unlocked something in me and progressed me greatly on my path to inner union between the masculine and the feminine. What I was missing was trust in the unknown. Thank you for sharing. (P.S. humans are electromagnetic beings. Energy is real ;) Keep your mind open about it)

Laurent BILGER's avatar

What strikes me in your text is that you are not trying to act smart against consent. You are doing something much rarer and much more intelligent: you show to what extent a notion can be absolutely necessary, even morally indispensable, and yet insufficient as soon as one asks it to bear by itself the whole truth of an experience.

That is where your text is really strong. You are not saying that consent would be false. You are saying that it becomes poor when it is turned into the sole language of intimacy. And you are right to see that, at that moment, something narrows. From the moment everything has to pass through the explicit, the prior, the formulable, the verifiable, a decisive part of experience disappears from the radar. Not because it would be obscure in some mystical sense, but because it is finer, more mobile, more trembling than what legal vocabulary can receive.

You are exactly right when you make it felt that the body does not speak only after authorization from the conscious subject. There are speeds of feeling, inflections of desire, withdrawals, hesitations, shifts, yeses in formation, nos that do not yet quite know how to say themselves, curiosities that do not yet exist as stable preferences. That is what your text thinks remarkably well: intimacy is not reducible to an exchange of permissions. It involves an infra-verbal dimension, and even sometimes an infra-subjective one, if by that one means everything that works on someone before they can fully formulate it.

That is also why your text is subtly unsettling. It reminds us that consent works very well as a threshold, much less well as a complete ontology of the relation. It protects, it sets bounds, it clarifies, and that is enormous. But it does not know, by itself, how to describe what a rise is, a mutual reading, a modulation, a trust built over time, nor that very particular moment when two people enter a zone that has not been totally mapped in advance without this tipping over into violence. You put your finger on a necessary aporia: we need consent because we cannot hand intimacy over to arbitrariness, but we often ask much more of it than it can give, as if it could capture the whole of relational living.

And that is, I think, where your text is most accurate: it shows that this insufficiency is not an accidental defect of consent, but almost its condition. Consent can function only by simplifying. It must make things sayable, stabilizable, shareable. It must transform the blurry thickness of experience into relatively clear terms. Without that, it would be unusable. But by becoming usable, it necessarily lets something escape. Its moral effectiveness has as its price a phenomenological loss. That loss is what your text makes felt without ever sinking into an anti-ethical pose.

I also like very much the fact that you do not sacralize some vague romantic “connection.” You constantly bring things back to communication, to reading, to the granularity of signs, to what happens in breathing, in rhythm, in the way of responding, in the afterward as well. That is very subtle, because you avoid two symmetrical traps: dry legalism on one side, confused mysticism on the other. You do not say: let us trust the body as if it were an oracle. You say rather: the body sometimes knows things that language has not yet caught up with, and an adult relationship must give itself the means to listen to that without thereby giving up responsibility.

It is precisely here that your text seems deepest to me: you understand that the real question is not only “what was authorized?”, but also “what can be held, taken back up, repaired, reread, assumed?” In other words, you bring out a truth that is rather unsettling for our time: the ethics of intimacy is not played out only in the prior contract, but in the quality of presence, reading, and response when experience overflows what had been planned. And that is no doubt what many contemporary discourses have difficulty thinking, because they prefer a clean moral scene to a more exact human scene.

Where your text seems precious to me is that it does not destroy the notion of consent; it puts it back in its place, which is both immense and limited. Immense, because one does not play with its absence. Limited, because a living relationship is never entirely containable by it. Consent is perhaps the best bad solution for making intimacy morally shareable. But it cannot become, without damage, the exhaustive definition of what happens there. There will always be a remainder, an underside, a before of words, an after of words, a fabric of micro-perceptions, nascent affects, movements still badly identified. Your text has the intelligence not to treat this remainder as a negligible residue, but as a central dimension of experience.

That is why it is so strong. It shows that the aporias of consent are not anomalies that should be abolished, but tensions that must be lucidly inhabited. We need consent precisely because desire is opaque, ambivalent, changing, sometimes dangerous. But that very opacity means that no prior formalization can ever suffice. There is therefore something tragically normal in this insufficiency. And your text has the rare merit neither of panicking before it, nor denying it, nor exploiting it cynically. It thinks it.

The only reservation that a demanding reader can keep, and your text almost itself provokes it, is that in wanting to save the infra-verbal from legal simplifications, one is always exposed to the opposite risk: that some people may claim to hear better than the other what they were “really” living. But precisely what saves your text from that slope is that it never stops returning to responsibility, to earned trust, to accountability, to the way someone responds afterward. You do not turn the unsayable into a permission for superiority. You make it into an added demand for attention.

In reading you, one then understands something rather simple and rather difficult: consent is indispensable because we are not transparent to ourselves nor to others; but it is for that very same reason that it can never, by itself, say the whole truth of an encounter. It is this constitutive contradiction that your text makes visible with great finesse. And that is why it deserves better than a defensive or militant reaction. It deserves to be taken seriously, because it thinks exactly where many prefer to recite

Ashleigh Renée Mitchell's avatar

Laurent, I keep returning to your phrase:

“Consent is perhaps the best bad solution for making intimacy morally shareable.”

Perhaps.

But I would add that trust is what makes intimacy relationally survivable, and stewardship is what makes trust worthy of being given in the first place.

This is one reason I teach negotiation as beginning before two people ever sit down to discuss a scene. Negotiation begins with the self: with honest questions about desire, fear, curiosity, boundaries, uncertainty, and the ability to say both yes and no truthfully.

Because “I don’t know yet” is not a failure of negotiation.

It may be one of its most honest starting points.

Consent cannot fully describe what has not yet become knowable. But it can create the conditions under which uncertainty is approached carefully rather than exploited.

That is where trust enters.

And where stewardship becomes essential.

Consent is the only currency.

Trust is your only receipt.

Steward them carefully.

KCG's avatar

This is exactly what the real life dance of lovers is. We are constantly exhausting ourselves attempting to recreate the real life online and yet, this is impossible. The beautiful God given gift of real life interaction is the dance of the unknowable. And relationships work when 2 people trust eachother to improvise this dance. To live your life. It is impossible to make everything an exact model of consent and no one wants that. Spontaneity and every day interaction is inherently this. We innately act like this without thinking. Albeit some people have zero emotions and are sociopathic and psychotic people where everything is done in this exact way and without the nuances of emotions, vulnerability, erm facial expressions and reactions. So when you are building a relationship In real life it may seem u comfortable at first but the beauty lies in the unconditional love and trust you (developed beforehand online in the case of me and my spouse) have. so that real life interactions are easier to maintain and handle. Easier to grow with one another.

The Kink Den's avatar

And here lies the difference between submission and surrender. Thank you for sharing this article ❤️

Mistress Dévine's avatar

Thank you this really resonates with me the way I move, and you’ve articulated it in a way that deepens my understanding of my practice.

I am so strong on consent when I meet someone for the first time, and then that evolves into trust overtime. Where I no longer lean on consent, but I might ask do you trust Me? Knowing what we have built allows Me to know within reason how far I can stretch an edge.

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The Den's avatar

I feel like consent can be viewed as an opt in framework- the standard negotiation techniques can be great for pick up play but this can not and does not account for every moment during a scene - a lot of what we do especially for more experienced or edge play practitioners is improv, particularly within the framework of LTRS- you (as a bottom) provide the lines of consent and ideally the top/dom colors in those lines - thank you for providing this thought provoking perspective

Sir Panda's avatar

Excellently said. My overall rubrick is: does my bottom feel safe? Safe enough to experience physical and emotional risk?

That sense of safety must always come through trust built by experience and/or explicit negotiation.

Mercer's avatar

this is the argument that will get you the most pushback and the one that most needs to be made. the consent discourse has become so hyper-vigilant that it has paradoxically undermined the trust it was designed to protect. when every micro-interaction requires a verbal contract, the body never gets to relax into the dynamic. the mind stays in surveillance mode. and surveillance is the enemy of surrender.

what you are pointing at is the difference between procedural consent and embodied trust. procedural consent is a checklist. embodied trust is a nervous system that has learned through experience that this person will not harm me in ways i have not chosen. the first is necessary at the beginning. the second is what makes the dynamic actually work over time. the culture has confused the two, made the checklist permanent, and then wondered why nobody can reach the depth that the practice promises. trust is not consent repeated infinitely. trust is consent internalized.

emotional lil bitch's avatar

This article shifted my mind in a way I did not anticipate.

Chelsea • Pleasure Ministries's avatar

Incredibly thought provoking and insightful. I’m obsessed with the idea that trust is not the absence of repair but how that repair is addressed. I totally agree.

I once did a scene with a man who taught others how to dom and I couldn’t even get through it because every few seconds he was checking in to see how I was…. But I think it’s complicated because we only have so much agency or literal physical capability when we reach certain levels of subspace. I have had experiences where I can’t even form a sentence and my partner could’ve caused serious harm had it not been for the pre determined negotiation. And yet, I’ve also had experiences in similar states where I was led deeper than I would’ve taken myself.

I think most importantly we have to trust ourselves to find the courage to speak up when rupture happens. But how do we do then if we are in ultra sub space or suddenly in freeze / fawn mode? Maybe by practicing saying no and speaking up in the midst of somatic discomfort? I’m not sure. Or maybe it’s during those moments that the dom is gently pushing boundaries with the same eagerness they are checking in.

Ashleigh Renée Mitchell's avatar

Nicolle,

First, thank you.

This is one of the most thoughtful pieces I have read on consent, trust, accountability, and the relational nature of BDSM in quite some time. I found myself nodding along through much of it, particularly the discussions of rupture and repair, accountability, and the limitations of treating consent as though it were the entirety of ethical BDSM rather than one essential component of it.

What struck me most strongly, however, was not the distinction between consent and trust, but their relationship.

For me, consent and trust have never been opposing concepts, nor have they existed in tension with one another. They are two sides of the same coin.

If I am spending my consent coin, I need to know that my trust coin is being well spent as well.

Because that is the entire point of negotiation.

I agree completely that we cannot negotiate every possible outcome of a scene. Human beings are too complicated for that. Bodies surprise us. Emotions surprise us. Unexpected pleasures emerge. Unexpected pain emerges. Sometimes we discover things about ourselves that we could never have anticipated.

We cannot negotiate what we do not yet know.

But we can negotiate how we will care for one another when we encounter the unexpected.

That distinction feels important to me.

As an age-player, a Middle, and a lifelong boundary-tester, I find this discussion particularly compelling because it sits directly at the intersection of trust, vulnerability, negotiated surrender, and structure.

Some of the most meaningful experiences I have had within age-play and power exchange were not things I could have explicitly negotiated in advance. They involved emotions, discoveries, and vulnerabilities that I did not know were waiting for me.

Yet those experiences were not born from the absence of consent.

They were made possible by it.

Consent created the container.

Trust allowed exploration within it.

At the same time, my experience has taught me that trust does not exist to erase boundaries.

Some of my boundaries have softened over the years as trust deepened and experience broadened my understanding of myself.

Others have not.

Some limits are not unexplored territory waiting to be discovered. They are not fears waiting to be overcome. They are not places I avoid because I have not yet learned to trust enough.

They are simply boundaries.

Part of what makes trust meaningful is knowing that a trusted partner understands the difference.

A trustworthy partner is not the person who assumes every limit is a challenge to be overcome. A trustworthy partner is the person who understands which boundaries are invitations to proceed carefully, which are invitations to ask questions, and which are simply doors that are not theirs to open.

Which is why one particular conversation has stayed with me for years.

A trusted play partner and I were preparing for a scene. They knew my history. They knew why certain limits existed and why some of them were especially difficult for me.

During our pre-scene check-in, I said:

"You know, I trust you to be aware of where I am in this. Let's leave the hard boundaries as softer tonight and see what happens."

Their response was immediate.

"What's your safety signals then?"

That response has stayed with me because it revealed something important.

The moment I offered greater trust, they became more attentive, not less.

They did not hear, "Wonderful. More freedom."

They heard, "Wonderful. More responsibility."

Looking back, I think the missing word in many discussions of consent and trust may be stewardship.

Consent grants permission.

Trust grants access.

Stewardship is how that trust is honored.

When I entrusted my partner with the possibility of exploring near a boundary that was normally firm, their first instinct was not curiosity about what they might now be allowed to do.

Their first instinct was care.

"What's your safety signals then?"

In that moment, they were not focused on the boundary itself. They were focused on their responsibility toward the person who had chosen to trust them.

That distinction feels important.

A trustworthy partner is not merely someone who can be trusted with power.

A trustworthy partner is someone who understands that power creates obligations.

The greater the trust offered, the greater the responsibility to exercise that trust carefully, attentively, and with humility.

My perspective is also shaped by the fact that the phrase "lifelong boundary-tester" above is, in kink terminology, often translated as "brat."

That means testing boundaries is something I do almost instinctively.

Not because I want to break them.

Not because I want them removed.

Quite often, I am checking to see whether they are still there.

Whether they are still being maintained.

Whether the person responsible for them is still paying attention.

I should also be clear about something else.

I am not a brat to be broken.

I am not a brat to be tamed.

Attempts to force that dynamic onto me tend to lead everyone involved into very dark places very quickly.

When I test boundaries, I am not challenging someone to overpower me.

I am checking the integrity of the structure.

I am asking, consciously or unconsciously:

"Are you still there?"

"Are you still paying attention?"

"Can I still trust this?"

For me, that makes bratting less about rebellion and more about verification.

The boundary itself often becomes reassuring.

Its presence tells me that someone is engaged, attentive, and actively stewarding the trust I have placed in them.

Paradoxically, some of the people most likely to test boundaries are also the people who derive the greatest sense of safety from knowing those boundaries remain intact.

That is another reason I find it difficult to separate consent and trust entirely.

The boundaries matter.

The trust matters.

And the ongoing stewardship of those boundaries matters.

For me, they are all part of the same conversation.

Reading your discussion of rupture and repair, I found myself returning again and again to a simple realization:

Trust is not proven when everything goes according to plan.

Trust is proven when things do not.

When someone says:

"I missed that."

"I'm sorry."

"Tell me what happened."

When someone stays in the room.

When someone listens.

When someone repairs.

When someone changes.

That is trust made visible.

Perhaps that is why I find it difficult to separate consent from trust entirely.

Consent allows us to begin the journey.

Trust allows us to continue it.

Stewardship determines how we care for one another along the way.

And accountability determines whether we can find our way back together when the road takes an unexpected turn.

I suspect we may be describing the same landscape from slightly different vantage points.

Consent is not enough.

Trust is not enough.

Accountability is not enough.

But together, they create the conditions under which BDSM can become something more than a collection of activities.

They create the conditions for vulnerability, discovery, intimacy, growth, and transformation.

And perhaps most importantly, they create the conditions under which two imperfect human beings can remain in relationship with one another when reality inevitably refuses to follow the script.

Aidan The Sub's avatar

This is such a fabulous article. Thank you for posting 🙏🏼 I’ve learnt so much about true essence of shibari and the important difference between consent and trust within BDSM.

Starr's avatar

Subscribing after this reading!! Thank you

Leslie Homan's avatar

I loved this whole conversation and interview. I enjoyed the deeply honest and open manner of this. Excellent. I really learned a lot of information and I appreciate the time and effort pit in to this. Thank you so much.